Comments on: Why did your signature get removed from the petition? http://iwantflash.com/2010/01/30/why-did-your-signature-get-removed-from-the-petition/ Hey Apple, I want the web as it was meant to be seen! Sat, 22 May 2010 07:53:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Amy http://iwantflash.com/2010/01/30/why-did-your-signature-get-removed-from-the-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-213 Amy Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:33:05 +0000 http://iwantflash.com/?p=22#comment-213 I don't want the iPad or iPhone Destroyed at all. I love my iPhone, its a great product, I just want to be able to have the same experience on it that I can have on a desktop, that means having flash. I have been on 2 Air Projects that used flash and marketed directly to consumers. The ecosystem is growing and people are starting to use it. Most Twitter Apps are built on Air. There is a ton of other app stores out there, Palm's App Catalog, Google's Android Marketplace are all viable options. There are many paths to making $$ you also might find that many many iPhone apps are being built and paid for by large corps. I am not anti-apple. I use a MacBook Pro and fought my PC heavy workplace to get it. I just want the full experience of the web. I don’t want the iPad or iPhone Destroyed at all. I love my iPhone, its a great product, I just want to be able to have the same experience on it that I can have on a desktop, that means having flash.

I have been on 2 Air Projects that used flash and marketed directly to consumers. The ecosystem is growing and people are starting to use it. Most Twitter Apps are built on Air.

There is a ton of other app stores out there, Palm’s App Catalog, Google’s Android Marketplace are all viable options.

There are many paths to making $$ you also might find that many many iPhone apps are being built and paid for by large corps.

I am not anti-apple. I use a MacBook Pro and fought my PC heavy workplace to get it. I just want the full experience of the web.

]]> By: iwantflash http://iwantflash.com/2010/01/30/why-did-your-signature-get-removed-from-the-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-53 iwantflash Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:00:57 +0000 http://iwantflash.com/?p=22#comment-53 Thats just it, Flash is evolving its an active product and it looks like the only place you will not be able to have a flash experience is on an Apple iPad or iPhone. If Flash was end of life like Cobol then I could see your argument maybe having some merit. However Flash will be on more things than ever by the end of 2010, the only people not developing flash will be Apple fan boys. Its the best way to get something cross device and cross platform. Why do you want to rewrite your app in 4 different languages to support all of the platforms. Thats just it, Flash is evolving its an active product and it looks like the only place you will not be able to have a flash experience is on an Apple iPad or iPhone. If Flash was end of life like Cobol then I could see your argument maybe having some merit. However Flash will be on more things than ever by the end of 2010, the only people not developing flash will be Apple fan boys. Its the best way to get something cross device and cross platform. Why do you want to rewrite your app in 4 different languages to support all of the platforms.

]]> By: Rogelio http://iwantflash.com/2010/01/30/why-did-your-signature-get-removed-from-the-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-49 Rogelio Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:18:40 +0000 http://iwantflash.com/?p=22#comment-49 Many people make a living out of Cobol and Java, and that does not mean that these technologies should go the way of the trash bin too. Making a living out of a technology doesn't justify anything. Evolve and learn something new. Many people make a living out of Cobol and Java, and that does not mean that these technologies should go the way of the trash bin too. Making a living out of a technology doesn’t justify anything. Evolve and learn something new.

]]> By: fisher http://iwantflash.com/2010/01/30/why-did-your-signature-get-removed-from-the-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-46 fisher Sun, 31 Jan 2010 07:02:56 +0000 http://iwantflash.com/?p=22#comment-46 Mac's stellar computer will eventually evolve after the pumped up period during it's unveiling. The A4 chip and Apple's potential to fix hardware will begin to make the iTablet a monster in the time ahead. Mac’s stellar computer will eventually evolve after the pumped up period during it’s unveiling. The A4 chip and Apple’s potential to fix hardware will begin to make the iTablet a monster in the time ahead.

]]> By: Dont want Flash http://iwantflash.com/2010/01/30/why-did-your-signature-get-removed-from-the-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-44 Dont want Flash Sun, 31 Jan 2010 05:38:24 +0000 http://iwantflash.com/?p=22#comment-44 Could I be so bold to ask, could people visiting this page answer a simple poll? Cheers. If you want Flash on mobile devices, what is your main reason to use it? http://answers.polldaddy.com/poll/2622923/ Could I be so bold to ask, could people visiting this page answer a simple poll? Cheers.

If you want Flash on mobile devices, what is your main reason to use it?
http://answers.polldaddy.com/poll/2622923/

]]> By: Alex Eckermann http://iwantflash.com/2010/01/30/why-did-your-signature-get-removed-from-the-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-43 Alex Eckermann Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:56:57 +0000 http://iwantflash.com/?p=22#comment-43 @iwantflash: Sure it hasnt hurt them. However I think you should have a read of this post http://dontwantflash.com/post/362286058/flash-on-mobile-devices-privacy-disaster-waiting-to Sure it's no issue now. What if en exploit was found in Flash and then the 42.48 million devices we trust with our most personal information were vulnerable? Im sure any Identity Thief would jump at the chance to be apart of that. Just to let you know, I do develop Flash applications. I have used Actionscript 3, and actually quite enjoyed it. But I can see that Flash is this extra layer, a layer we dont need because there are better and more effective methods for doing the same thing. So far your main need for Flash is only indicated as being video playback. The video playback space in 2010 will change and im hoping it will be HTML 5 along with open technologies like HTTP streaming with adaptive bitrate changing. Meaning any device can choose their own player that is optimised for its system and play it with any chrome or interface that fits the device. @iwantflash: Sure it hasnt hurt them. However I think you should have a read of this post http://dontwantflash.com/post/362286058/flash-on-mobile-devices-privacy-disaster-waiting-to

Sure it’s no issue now. What if en exploit was found in Flash and then the 42.48 million devices we trust with our most personal information were vulnerable? Im sure any Identity Thief would jump at the chance to be apart of that.

Just to let you know, I do develop Flash applications. I have used Actionscript 3, and actually quite enjoyed it. But I can see that Flash is this extra layer, a layer we dont need because there are better and more effective methods for doing the same thing.

So far your main need for Flash is only indicated as being video playback. The video playback space in 2010 will change and im hoping it will be HTML 5 along with open technologies like HTTP streaming with adaptive bitrate changing. Meaning any device can choose their own player that is optimised for its system and play it with any chrome or interface that fits the device.

]]> By: iwantflash http://iwantflash.com/2010/01/30/why-did-your-signature-get-removed-from-the-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-42 iwantflash Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:24:27 +0000 http://iwantflash.com/?p=22#comment-42 Flash has been on Mobile Devices in Japan for years and years, it has not hurt them. If you believe flash is only for animation and basic programing then you have not used it since Actionscript 3. Flash is a robust platform for providing content that would be difficult to do with the standards that are out there. Adobe tried to make Actionscript 3 into the ECMAscript standard, but Microsoft killed it. Do a bit of research before a knee jerk reaction that flash on mobile will be all bad. Check out what the flash player is doing with the openscreen project and how flash 10.1 is going to be using the gpu and will be better on memory. http://www.niallharry.com/2009/11/hd-youtube-and-adobe-flash-10-1/ See how flash runs on a whole collection of mobile phones. http://blog.everythingflex.com/2010/01/08/flash-10-1-coming-to-pre-driod-nexus-one-iphone/ Why would you not want the same experience on you iPhone? Why should your iPhone be an inferior device? Flash has been on Mobile Devices in Japan for years and years, it has not hurt them.

If you believe flash is only for animation and basic programing then you have not used it since Actionscript 3.

Flash is a robust platform for providing content that would be difficult to do with the standards that are out there. Adobe tried to make Actionscript 3 into the ECMAscript standard, but Microsoft killed it. Do a bit of research before a knee jerk reaction that flash on mobile will be all bad. Check out what the flash player is doing with the openscreen project and how flash 10.1 is going to be using the gpu and will be better on memory. http://www.niallharry.com/2009/11/hd-youtube-and-adobe-flash-10-1/

See how flash runs on a whole collection of mobile phones.
http://blog.everythingflex.com/2010/01/08/flash-10-1-coming-to-pre-driod-nexus-one-iphone/

Why would you not want the same experience on you iPhone? Why should your iPhone be an inferior device?

]]> By: Alex Eckermann http://iwantflash.com/2010/01/30/why-did-your-signature-get-removed-from-the-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-41 Alex Eckermann Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:12:56 +0000 http://iwantflash.com/?p=22#comment-41 @iwantflash: I disagree. Adding Flash to the Apple mobile deice family *will* adversely affect the experience and quality of the device. It's just not as controllable by the system as, lets say, making a native application. Also Flash is living out its days. It is good for animation in High School, learning programming a basic level and interacting with multimedia. But now we have these new spec's coming up like HTML 5 as well as new video distribution methods (HTTP streaming) which are far superior to Flash. I dont think you should have the same experience as your desktop, because it *isn't* a desktop... its a mobile device. With a screen thats x10 smaller than a desktop one Flash just doesn't work. @iwantflash: I disagree. Adding Flash to the Apple mobile deice family *will* adversely affect the experience and quality of the device. It’s just not as controllable by the system as, lets say, making a native application.

Also Flash is living out its days. It is good for animation in High School, learning programming a basic level and interacting with multimedia. But now we have these new spec’s coming up like HTML 5 as well as new video distribution methods (HTTP streaming) which are far superior to Flash.

I dont think you should have the same experience as your desktop, because it *isn’t* a desktop… its a mobile device. With a screen thats x10 smaller than a desktop one Flash just doesn’t work.

]]> By: iwantflash http://iwantflash.com/2010/01/30/why-did-your-signature-get-removed-from-the-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-36 iwantflash Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:45:54 +0000 http://iwantflash.com/?p=22#comment-36 I don't want the iPad or iPhone Destroyed at all. I love my iPhone, its a great product, I just want to be able to have the same experience on it that I can have on a desktop, that means having flash. I have been on 2 Air Projects that used flash and marketed directly to consumers. The ecosystem is growing and people are starting to use it. Most Twitter Apps are built on Air. There is a ton of other app stores out there, Palm's App Catalog, Google's Android Marketplace are all viable options. There are many paths to making $$ you also might find that many many iPhone apps are being built and paid for by large corps. I am not anti-apple. I use a MacBook Pro and fought my PC heavy workplace to get it. I just want the full experience of the web. I don’t want the iPad or iPhone Destroyed at all. I love my iPhone, its a great product, I just want to be able to have the same experience on it that I can have on a desktop, that means having flash.

I have been on 2 Air Projects that used flash and marketed directly to consumers. The ecosystem is growing and people are starting to use it. Most Twitter Apps are built on Air.

There is a ton of other app stores out there, Palm’s App Catalog, Google’s Android Marketplace are all viable options.

There are many paths to making $$ you also might find that many many iPhone apps are being built and paid for by large corps.

I am not anti-apple. I use a MacBook Pro and fought my PC heavy workplace to get it. I just want the full experience of the web.

]]> By: J. Jeffryes http://iwantflash.com/2010/01/30/why-did-your-signature-get-removed-from-the-petition/comment-page-1/#comment-35 J. Jeffryes Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:30:45 +0000 http://iwantflash.com/?p=22#comment-35 How many developers sell their Flash apps directly to consumers? Exactly. I know how much you can make deving Flash, I do it. And I make a lot of money doing it. But you make that money by building apps for corporate clients, and in the end they own the app, and they make the real money. The app store makes it possible for any developer to sell directly to consumers, which is a far vaster market. And it leaves you the owner of your work. For that to happen, the distribution must be controlled and constrained. Apple is the only platform where that is currently viable. Average consumers are not web nerds. They don't want a million options. They want a product that is simple and always works. That comes with constraints. If you hate those constraints, that's fine, you can choose not to sell to the mainstream. But insisting that the iPhone and iPad should be destroyed just because you don't like the rules they come with is juvenile. How many developers sell their Flash apps directly to consumers?

Exactly.

I know how much you can make deving Flash, I do it. And I make a lot of money doing it. But you make that money by building apps for corporate clients, and in the end they own the app, and they make the real money.

The app store makes it possible for any developer to sell directly to consumers, which is a far vaster market. And it leaves you the owner of your work. For that to happen, the distribution must be controlled and constrained. Apple is the only platform where that is currently viable.

Average consumers are not web nerds. They don’t want a million options. They want a product that is simple and always works. That comes with constraints. If you hate those constraints, that’s fine, you can choose not to sell to the mainstream. But insisting that the iPhone and iPad should be destroyed just because you don’t like the rules they come with is juvenile.

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